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Title: another newbie
Post by: sandy on May 27, 2009, 11:40:34 AM
Hi from sandy
I am thinking of getting a weather station ( at the end of the summer ). The Weathershop suggested Davis pro2 or Oregon wmr200, however another suggestion is Lacrosse ws2350 which maybe more suitable as i dont want to spend a fortune. I do get a lot of wind in my position as i overlook Loch Ewe and am under the impression that the more times the wind is updated the more acurate it is ( but theres that price thing again ! ), i am also under the impression that wired may be quicker than wi fi.
I would like to get a webcam ( but not just now ) as i have 2 views of the loch.
Any comment appreciated.
                sandy

                 


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: skyewright on May 27, 2009, 12:52:57 PM
I am thinking of getting a weather station ( at the end of the summer ). The Weathershop suggested Davis pro2 or Oregon wmr200, however another suggestion is Lacrosse ws2350 which maybe more suitable as i dont want to spend a fortune. I do get a lot of wind in my position as i overlook Loch Ewe and am under the impression that the more times the wind is updated the more acurate it is ( but theres that price thing again ! ), i am also under the impression that wired may be quicker than wi fi.
Welcome aboard Sandy.  ;D
You seem to have gained a decent overview of the situation.

For most things wired gives quicker update than wireless, but for the Davis (i.e. the most expensive option) you get 3 second wind updates even with the wireless version (so I understand - I don't own one).

Another (wired) possibility is the somewhat more 'DIY' / lego approach of 1-wire/AAG, or (just for windspeed and directions)  Inspeed Windworks. If you are interested in exploring those ideas just say and I'll dig out some URLs.

FWIW, I have an Oregon WMR200 (and the earlier WMR928) and am in the process of building a DIY hybrid 1-wire/Inspeed system (currently on hold waiting for suitable weather & time to lay the cable and raise the mast...)


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on May 27, 2009, 01:30:34 PM
Thanks for the info Skyewright.
I am new to all this, the nearest i get to the weather is watching it on tv, but i get such strong winds hitting the end of the house i thought it would be nice to know what was going on. I have the house as a holiday home and now have a website to go with it and thought a weather page would be of interest. I have seen a Davis pro fixed to the end of a building and it wasnt as big as i thought it would be. I go away over the summer for work and was going to go to the Weathershop in the south of England to see what things look like.Could you say the size of hole i would  have to drill in my newish window for the wire from the station. I think it would be fair to say that i am not a computer/software person, i just turn it on and hope it works !.
 sandy


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on May 27, 2009, 03:31:42 PM
Hi Sandy,
Glad you could join us.

The WS2350 uses cable similar to standard telephone cable so any holes only need to be as large as the connection on the end of a telephone cable.
In wireless mode these will update your wind data once every 30 seconds but wired the update is every 8 seconds. If 30 seconds is all you need/want then wireless will be fine. It also has the advantage of a build-in data logger which stores the data if your PC is switched off at any time, this then downloads all the missing data to the PC once you start it again so you don;t loose any records.

Another station I didn't mention in the email is the Watson W-8681 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Watson-W-8681-Wireless-Weather-Station_W0QQitemZ110390423969QQcmdZViewItem) that are cheaper then the WS2350 and are wireless. I've not used this station so I don't know what the results are like but it seems to have a good following on other Weather forums. This will also work with Cumulus and Weather Display software so maybe worth a look.

The 1-Wire option that David mentioned is quite good and allows you to build a weather station as & when funds allow. You only need one cable to enter the house as the sensors are "daisy chained" together and it's run totally from the PC, so there's no display console to locate. The UK supplier for 1-Wire is Audon (http://www.audon.co.uk/1-wire_weather.html) but the anemometer is only just cheaper than the WS2350 and I can't say I like the new version with the flashing LED lights. The performance of this unit is very good though, I had one for a while and was getting 2 second updates from it and it was very reliable, until a lightning strike took it out.

I think the best thing to do is set yourself a price limit and look at what information you want from the unit. The webcam can be catered for using software on the PC so that's not really an issue but for the station I go for the best you can afford as there's nothing worse than getting the weather bug a couple of months down the line and wishing you had got the next station up the line.  ;)

Martin.   


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: skyewright on May 27, 2009, 09:17:50 PM
...but i get such strong winds hitting the end of the house i thought it would be nice to know what was going on.
Sound very like why I started - except we get it right on the front.

Quote
I think it would be fair to say that i am not a computer/software person, i just turn it on and hope it works !
Weather sensors can take quite a hammering here, especially on coastal locations with the extra complication of salt.

My WMR928 had almost every sensor bar the rain gauge replaced under warranty during the first year (the anemometer was replaced twice). I've had the WMR200 a bit longer but it is still "all original".

If you can run to it, the Davis has a really good reputation, both for quality of data and equipment, with good service backup if/when things go wrong.

I'm a software developer and I like tinkering with things so 1-wire suits me. Horses for courses...


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on May 27, 2009, 09:49:00 PM
Thanks for all the advice.I would hope to have a fair idea of what i may get by the end of the month as i have to use the phoneline in the farm office when i am away from july on, its so much easier with Broadband ! If this good weather lasts i'll be fiddleing with peat and painting things outside.
            sandy


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on May 28, 2009, 06:54:59 PM
Well if i wanted to know what has happened to the weather i suppose i am in the right place !. I am interested in Local History and have been waiting for 3 clear bright days after a short dry spell ( so i can cross rivers ect ) then i can follow a Drove Road,but it doesnt seem to be happening.
I have pasted an email reply i got from a retailer below. I thought it may be of interest.

                                                       -----------------------
The update time for the wind on the WS2350 is 31 seconds and for the WMR200 it is 14 secs.

With the cable connection on the WS23500 this is brought down to 8 sec but the battery life is halved to 6 months for 1 year
                                                         
The WMR 200 is completely wireless.

The batteries in the WMR200 last considerably longer as most of the time it is powered by its solar panel.

The difference in quality is noticeable between the two is noticable and in our opinion the WMR 200 is more suited to extreme weather although for the very extremes of Scotland and the isles we would recommend a Davis system.
                                                          ----------------

At present i am leaning towards the Lacrosse WS2350 and using the wired side of it ( for the wind and update side of it ) although i may have to feed the cable behind the plasterboard in my flat.
Martin mentioned "Weather Display" in an email and i have come across "Weather Display32" are these the same thing or are they different programs.
Although it may not have any relevence at present i have a page on Flickr and could take some photos of the gable end i would mount the weather station on just to see what you say as there are trees nearby, i could past a link to the page in the forum ( if that is allowed ).
             heres looking for summer
                       sandy


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: munrobaggins on May 28, 2009, 09:11:34 PM
Hi Sandy and welcome to the forum....

I must admit to having had a Davis setup from the very start; having asked on various forums about buying wx stn kit.   However, once I had spent my fortune on a Davis wireless VP2 plus (UV and solar) and the required data logger (includes the fairly rudimentary WeatherLink programme), I began to think of cheaper ways of gathering the main data more cheaply and as a backup/standby system.  To accomplish this I bought a WS2300 and added an Inspeed Vortex anemometer (these are wired) for windspeed.  The overall cost for this combination at the time was IRO of 160 but required WeatherDisplay ($70) for the combination to run flawlessly.  I would say that the Vortex is the icing on the cake as this updates every 1 sec and gives almost identical results to the Davis.  The other wx data parameters tend to change far more slowly so slow updates are comparatively insignificant.   For comparison purposes, you can see the data of the 2 systems on my older website.. http://www.elginweather.co.uk/ under the 2 buttons labeled "Weatherdisplay" and "StandBy Wx/PC".  Obviously, it will depend on how far the pennies stretch, but a full Davis setup can easily cost far, far more than cheaper alternatives and still end up with very similar data record accuracy.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on May 28, 2009, 10:09:08 PM
With the cable connection on the WS23500 this is brought down to 8 sec but the battery life is halved to 6 months for 1 year
This correct if you only run the station on batteries, but it's not an issue if you're running it using the power supply that come with the station as the console will power the sensors and you can remove the batteries completely if you want too. Although they are handy as a backup for power failures. ;)
                                                         
Martin mentioned "Weather Display" in an email and i have come across "Weather Display32" are these the same thing or are they different programs.
They are the same program but Weather Display32 is the free version that is supplied with some stations and has some parts disabled, like the website uploads. It is meant as an introduction to the full program for those new to the hobby.


Although it may not have any relevence at present i have a page on Flickr and could take some photos of the gable end i would mount the weather station on just to see what you say as there are trees nearby, i could past a link to the page in the forum ( if that is allowed ).
You can post links on here, if you have the URL of the actual photos then you can include the photos in the thread. Just add the URL between the image tags like this:
Code:
[img]http://www.flicker.com/yourimagename.jpg[/img]

Martin.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Tugmistress on May 31, 2009, 09:00:53 AM
Welcome Sandy :)
i run the Lacrosse WS2350 after the Lacrosse WS2300
the wired option is definately better than wireless, the base unit is run by the mains supply, i need to change the batteries outside once a year. It's a cheap and pretty reliable station as i live on a headland and get constant salt winds over the year unless like today there's hardly a breath lol.
i do preventative maintenance on the windy thing in summer - spray it all over with silicone based oil and so far i have found doing this the thing will last at least 18 months before any drastic action is needed :) my current one is coming up to this time scale now (was new last march i think) so i have a new windy thing sat on the kitchen table ready lol
you'll have a lot of fun doing your own weather station - be warned - it gets addictive!


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on June 03, 2009, 09:22:13 PM
Sorry to take so long to get back to you, i was away on my walk for 3 days and went to Inverness ( by car ) yesterday.
Thanks for the info munrobaggins, i will check out the website, i think at present i would get Lacrosse ws2350 but if i needed to replace it i could well get the anemometer you mentioned, however i would like to keep things simple as present.
Also thanks tugmistress for your comments, the more the better. I had a look at your site the photos show off the harbour well. I'll have to see if i can get some silicone spray.

I took some photos of the gable end of my flat where i was thinking of mounting the weather station, it would be higher if it was attatched to the main chimney but there is an overhang in the concrete on the chimney,and there wouldalso be wind swirling around the chimney pots,i thought it would be easier to attatch it to the top of the white gable end.
Hopefully you should see the photos and a short discription on this link in the photostream   
         http://www.flickr.com/photos/34384289@N06/
 sandy


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on June 03, 2009, 10:43:38 PM
You really need to put the temp/humidity sensors on a north facing wall, if convenient, as they need to be out of direct sunlight. Left in the sun then they can read anything upto 10C higher than the actual temperature. With the trees where they are, how about putting the anemometer on the chimney, maybe on the far one if it doesn't have a used open fire, on TV aeral bracket & pole?

This is what I've done with mine:
(http://www.hebrides-photos.com/weather/VP2_Wind.jpg)


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on June 04, 2009, 07:28:43 AM
Not that it makes a difference i am sure,the far chimney is 21yrds away from my flat and the nearest chimney is 7yrds, not that i dont want to put it on the far chimney but it would be far more noticable as thats the end of the house that folk use to get to the front door.
I have put another photo on Flickr taken showing the other end of the house and the far chimney.
The chimney nearest to my flat is used by the solid fuel rayburn and i have a woodburning stove in the flat,the farest off chimneys are open but the fires are not normally lit ( dont want the punters setting fire to the chimney or burning bits of the carpet ). I hope any connectors that are outside are waterproof !.
 Any comment gratefully recieved.
            sandy

ps When CB started i had a silver rod on the chimney and i went through a few of them, they normally broke at the base due to the wind, i also never managed to stop water comming down the coax no matter what i did.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on June 04, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
If the chimneys are all working then forget that idea, you don't want melted plastic as an anemometer as the aerodynamics are all wrong.  ;D
These are very light so if you can get the anemometer on a pole that's above the trees and the pitch of the roof then you should be fine. The mast I have mine on is made of alloy tube and came from the Weather Shop. It's stood up to 89 knot gusts in January so I figure it should be OK.  ;)

All the connections for the WS2350 are on the Temp/Hum sensor pack and, although not waterproof, are hidden under a cover. You just need to check them every so often to make sure there's no corrosion on the connections.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on June 04, 2009, 08:27:38 PM
Thanks for the comments.
Although the chimneys at the far end of the house ( furthest away from the trees ) are not blocked off i would not normally light them although of the chimneys nearest my flat one of them would be going all the time i am here. I didnt realise the trees and perhaps the dormer window on the flat, and even the small part of the gable end would have enough of an effect to confuse the weather station.Perhaps the chimneys at the far end of the house would be better as it would be further away from some of the swirling winds and in " cleaner air ". I havent lit the fires at the far end of the house for over 5 years, if i was intent on lighting them quiet a bit i could always move the weather station i suppose.
 On the Lacrosse  is the main part with the rain sensors and the anemometer seperate, in that the anemometer could be at the top of a pole and the rest down beside the chimneys ( sheltered ) , i know the Davis is like that.

           sandy


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: skyewright on June 04, 2009, 09:11:22 PM
On the Lacrosse  is the main part with the rain sensors and the anemometer seperate, in that the anemometer could be at the top of a pole and the rest down beside the chimneys ( sheltered ) ,
I can't comment on how the Lacrosse components can be arranged but in general terms it's a good idea to have the rain gauge pretty close to the ground (but not so close as to catch splashes) in an open area. Mine are at ~2' over grass.
The higher up they are the more subject they are to under reading because of wind effects.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: munrobaggins on June 04, 2009, 09:45:47 PM
On the Lacrosse  is the main part with the rain sensors and the anemometer seperate, in that the anemometer could be at the top of a pole and the rest down beside the chimneys ( sheltered ) , i know the Davis is like that.
I can only speak for the WS2310 and am presuming that the 2350 is similar....The outside hunidity/temperature sensor contains the Tx (I use the wireless mode to the Console, but it could be wired) and this is connected by separate cables to the anemometer and rain guage (these cables are about 10m/30ft long and can be extended further I believe)....thus it is possible to place the individual sensors in reasonable locations....My anemometer (vane and fan) happens to be at the top of a sawn off Cupressus tree, the Temp/hygro at the foot (not too sheltered but on the north side within a home made plant-tray Stevenson Screen) and finally the rain guage is on a short post on the lawn....note though, that for this setup my Vortex windspeed unit is actually up on the same mast as the Davis anemometer but is of the wired type...

I hope this helps.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on June 08, 2009, 12:54:59 PM
Thank you for the help and advice above.
I may have another problem, but maybe not.
I have had the website for the house made up by a chap a few miles away, and mentioned to him that i was thinking of getting a weather station and would have a link to website, his reply was   -  I don't think that I could help you with the weather station linked to  the website - sounds like a nightmare! -.
I dont have any settings/ passwords ect for the website
I am intending to get Weather Display.
I was going to get a 2nd hand pc and leave it working all the time when i am away, its only aim in life being to service the weather station.
My web hosting is by claranet.
Would anyone like to comment, ( change my web designer hopefully isnt one of them, but it may have to be considered )

sandy


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on June 08, 2009, 03:19:10 PM
The simplest inclusion of the weather data from WD only needs one extra page on you website, or you can upload the dials & graphs to an existing page.
There is no requirement for a redesign on the site and it's quite easy to setup, but you will need the server login details for you site as WD uses an automatic FTP upload programme to upload the weather data and this needs to be able to "talk" to the server.
If the chap who made your site has used a template for the site then all we need is a copy of the basic page and one of us can input the required coding for you.  ;)


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on June 08, 2009, 04:20:53 PM
Thanks for that, it seems as if things can progress ok.
Apart from buying the weather station, Weather Display, and fitting the thing to the side of the house i cant think of any other hicups that i may come across.
I'll have a look to see what the prices are and still intend to goto the Weather Shop to see the thing before i buy it, i may buy it there or else where, but it would be nice to see one before i buy it.
Apart from trying to measure how much cable i may need to get to my flat i hope that is everything thought of.
             yours
               sandy


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on May 22, 2010, 04:18:31 PM
Sorry for the long silence, i havent forgotten about you. I bought a Technoline WS2350 ( I take it its been renamed from Lacrosse ) last summer and was hoping to put it up over the winter but the hard frost and snow put paid to that idea, I got a pc to work it, however the weather station is still in its box as I am busy with peat ect before i go away in a month.
I asked when I bought the weather station that they also let me buy Weather Display, however on getting back to my accommodation it was not included, the lady said at the time  " but there is software with it ", i'll have to order it later.
sandy


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on May 23, 2010, 07:42:39 AM
Hi Sandy,

Yep, LaCrosse & Technoline are the same thing, just a re-branding.
When you get the station set up then it may be useful to start off with Cumulus software as it's free and will also allow uploads to a website.
It's not a detailed as Weather Display but it does the job.  ;)

Martin.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on May 23, 2010, 12:40:48 PM
Thanks Martin.
I will leave it till my return at the end of the year, I had hoped to do something with it earlier but having a new kitchen in the house and lifting the concrete floor and relaying it ( no damproof course ) took longer than planned.
I was going to try and get a telegraph pole to put it on  so it would be clear of the house and in "Clean air" in the field at the end of the house as its only used for graizing and not cultivated.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on June 01, 2010, 06:34:40 PM
I was out walking at Loch a Bhraoin ( between Braemore Junction and Dundonnell, but closer Braemore ) and came across   http://www.flickr.com/photos/34384289@N06/   and took and put the 3 photos in my photostream on flickr, you can enlarge the photo by clicking on it, then " all sizes" above the photo, then "Original", it wasnt there on sunday and it was there today !
I thought it may be of interest.
     sandy


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on June 02, 2010, 10:49:27 AM
Interesting, I think the mast may have cost more than the weather station as that's some mast setup they have there. I bet there's a aerial or ywo going on there in the future.  ;)


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on June 02, 2010, 12:14:43 PM
There was people in the house and i was going to mention SWN but I know that the revovation was done last year by polish workers and heard a foreign language through the open door, I know someone was talking to them last year and had an awful job asking questions during the rebuild, I could see me getting in to difficulties explaining a Weather Site on the net, so walked on ( sorry ). They should get the wind there anyway !.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: skyewright on June 03, 2010, 09:30:24 AM
Interesting, I think the mast may have cost more than the weather station as that's some mast setup they have there. I bet there's a aerial or ywo going on there in the future.  ;)
and/or a small turbine (perhaps on this same mast?), with the weather station being up there to measure the wind that they aren't yet making use of?


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on June 04, 2010, 09:30:06 PM
It took me an hour and a half to walk from the road end to the white house with the mast, (then you have the return walk back to your car ), but that was with a rucksack and tent. I may go back next year although thats the 3rd time ive been there.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: skyewright on June 06, 2010, 11:04:42 AM
It took me an hour and a half to walk from the road end to the white house with the mast, (then you have the return walk back to your car ), but that was with a rucksack and tent. I may go back next year although thats the 3rd time ive been there.
So probably quite a distance from mains electricity too? I'll stick with my guess that a turbine may appear at some stage...  :)


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on December 16, 2010, 02:21:39 PM
Afternoon from squally Loch Ewe, I have access to a telegraph pole ( so i'm told ) and  am trying to make a hole ( not too big ) in the gable end for the cable to go through, have hit a stone 2ft into the wall though  :(.
I was looking at the Neilston weather station site as I am interested in Barrhead, ( local history/family trees ), nice photos of the area, but cant see an email to contact.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on December 21, 2010, 02:36:50 PM
Afternoon, I have a hole in the wall  ;D, can i attatch the Thermo Hygro sensor to the base station and plug it into the wall allowing me to at least see what the temp is at night.I dont have the telegraph pole yet for the wind sensor, I wont bother with connecting it to a pc just now.
I will need more cable to get to the pole, would weather shop be the way to go or would i get it in Inverness ? ( ie Maplin ect)


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: carseman on December 21, 2010, 05:31:41 PM
sandy,
You will be able to get the cable components from Maplin. Most people recommend using Cat 5 cable for extensions, but I used FCC68 telephone cable (the same type as the original LaCrosse cable) without apparent problem. You will also need some FCC modular plugs and a crimp tool -all from Maplin. Offhand, I cannot remember whether there are 4 or 6 cores needed in the cable.
Chris


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on December 21, 2010, 06:18:13 PM
Thanks chris
I'll have a look next time i'm in Inverness, it says the temp is -3.5 or -4.2, it was thawing in  the afternoon up till 3pm as it was sunny with blue sky but I wouldnt have thought it was as cold as that but I could be wrong.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: carseman on December 21, 2010, 06:39:18 PM
I have just found the "wired mode" cable for my WS2350 (I use wireless) It is 4 core cable.

Chris


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on December 21, 2010, 08:18:20 PM
Thanks chris, You dont join the cable with a double female type of connector then.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: carseman on December 21, 2010, 11:25:05 PM
No, because the thermo/hygrometer has a socket as does the console so that you can make a cable to your own specs. A join would lead to signal degradation.

Chris


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on November 27, 2011, 02:26:19 PM
Another question, I have got cable ( to go from the house to the weather station outside ) and plugs from Maplin along with a crimp type grip/ pliers for closing the plugs, there is a little blade bit in the handle with  a "stop" behind it which I take it is for removing the outer part of the cable, this removes the outer cable revealing 5 mm of the individual wires. I take it you just place the individual wires in a level row into the plug and compress the plug ( like a scotch lock ), my question is, am i correct in the above or should I have more than 5mm of the wires going into the plug.
I know I should have got 4 core cable but they didnt have any and I had to get 8 core and have cut off the excess leaving 4 to go into the plug, there looks as there is space for the wires to further into the plug, I could remove more of the outer cable to allow this.
The chap in Maplin said the little wires go in the grooves in the plug to get them go go in the correct position.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: carseman on November 27, 2011, 02:57:25 PM
The 5mm exposed length will be OK. I use one of the maplin combined strippers/crimpers and it works for me.

Chris


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on November 27, 2011, 03:50:04 PM
Thanks Carseman
I've only got 2 plugs, one for each end  :), will give it a try when I can get up a ladder !


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: carseman on November 27, 2011, 09:54:51 PM
I always have a couple of spare plugs available, just in case the crimp goes wrong. I also use a LAN cable tester to check that I have got it right. Maplin do one for 9.99 here http://www.maplin.co.uk/rj45-and-rj11-network-cable-tester-99067 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/rj45-and-rj11-network-cable-tester-99067)

Chris


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: skyewright on November 29, 2011, 01:57:50 PM
I also use a LAN cable tester to check that I have got it right. Maplin do one
I'll second that. A quick test and at least you know if the cable is okay.  :)


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on December 24, 2011, 11:13:05 AM
Techno line WS-2350
I got a tester  at Maplin and tried it the other day, got a friend to push the button in my flat and I went out into the field and 4 lights were lighting up.
But when I was getting it in Inverness I got the last 2 plugs they had.
When i got the new cable last summer the chap there said to place the wires on the bottom of the plug ( with the tail/ clip part upwards) and crimp it, I had the wires around 10mm long, however this time i saw a different chap ( the staff were asking him questions all the time ) and he said not to have the wires resting on the bottom of the plug but resting on the top of the plug on the inside. The plug in the house end of the cable has the wires in the top of the plug and the one outside has it in the bottom, however the wind info does not appear to be on the base unit as there is a circle in the bottom section ( N, E,W,S ect ) with 3 dashes in it,when I plugged it together there was an arrow type bit on the outside but its not there now and pressing the "set" + button  only brings up LCD 8, there is a cloud symbal with rain coming out the bottom  at the top though  :), I wonder if I should renew the plug outside  ( last plug ) as the wires are going along the bottom of that plug ? ( but wait till the weather is better though !). I wonder if there is a faulty connection on the outside of the cable although it was ok on the tester.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: skyewright on December 24, 2011, 10:37:29 PM
I got a tester  at Maplin and tried it the other day, got a friend to push the button in my flat and I went out into the field and 4 lights were lighting up....wires on the bottom of the plug...this time...on the top of the plug on the inside.... I wonder if I should renew the plug outside...ok on the tester.
Did you compare the sequence of lights at the 2 ends of the tester.
A 'good' cable has the right number of lights showing and the same sequence at both ends.
If the plugs are wired differently (which would be 'a bad thing') you could still get 4 lights, but the sequence of lights would be different at the 2 ends of the tester, because of the crossover.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on December 25, 2011, 04:44:37 PM
Just checked before it got too dark as the wind had dropped, it is lighting up the same lights in the house and outside, ie, nos 2,3,4,5., thats putting the plug on the cable in the smaller of the plug holes on the tester and the unit outside. The wind unit is spinning in the wind and on plugging the cable back into the base unit it is giving a wind direction and speed  ???
edit, scrap that last bit, the wind speed has gone back to 3 dashes again, must be a poor connection I guess.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on January 24, 2012, 05:37:19 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6755298923_32523a0e3b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34384289@N06/6755298923/)
IMG_5159 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34384289@N06/6755298923/) by hairypeatcutter (http://www.flickr.com/people/34384289@N06/), on Flickr

I managed to get a metal pole in place during a calm spell  :), Someone asked if I would need something inline incase of lightening, i had something when I was on the CB years ago, would I need something similar in this case ?.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on January 25, 2012, 04:09:09 PM
I think I would ground the mast, Sandy. I have done that with my anemometer mast, just with a length of earthing cable attached to the mast and buried in the ground.
I'm in the process of enhancing it at I have some aerials up there now for AIS and Airnav Radar so I'm going to get an earth spike and I have earth connectors to go inline with the coax as this also protects against static build up during high winds.  ;)


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on January 25, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Thanks Martin
I'll see what I can find, I'll have an ask around.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on December 31, 2012, 08:55:30 PM
Happy New Year SWN  :)
I have got another cable to go from the weather station to the base station inside, I got the 4core wire but am still having a job getting the plugs to connect properly  >:(, can the cable tester tell which plug is not correctly on the cable as they both seem ok, I have the crimp part of the plug just catching the outer sleeve, which seems ok as the plug seems firm, or is it meant to be gripping the 4 wires and not the outer sleeve.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on January 01, 2013, 08:28:27 PM
Happy New Year to you as well Sandy.

If you're using the RJ12 or RJ45 connections then make sure that the ends of the wires are pushed hard up against the end on the connector, so you can see them through the clear plastic.
I use a magnifying glass to check they are "home" before crimping them. It also allows you to make sure the colours a the right way around as well.  ;)


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on January 07, 2013, 11:50:26 AM
I'm not having much luck over here.
I have put new plugs on either end of the new cable and put the cable tester on it, there are 2 plug holes on the tester ( Maplin RJ45 & RJ11 Network Cable Tester ) and the plug on the cable will fit into either, I have used the small plug hole in the tester then the slightly larger hole and it lights up 4 lights in either case, ie nos 2, 3, 4, 5 at either end, when the other plug hole is used it is for example 3,4,5,6, when I have moved the plug of the cable tester part outside I would move it on the main part inside
When the new plug/cable is plugged into the console there are 3 dashes in the windspeed with no direction and no outdoor temp and humidity, there is a cloud symbol working, time and pressure, however the the latter 3 are there when the cable's not plugged in to the console.
I have cut the last plug off the cable and left a tail of cable that I could send to someone for their inspection incase I am doing something wrong. 
Just to see if there is any difference I pugged the old cable in ( but the plugs dont grip the cable properly as they are too small for the cable), and I'm getting an Outdoor temp of 48.7F, Humidity 93 and windspeed of 0.8 and wind direction ( hardly any breeze at present ), so am I to deduce that there is a fault with the new cable/plugs ?


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on January 07, 2013, 02:42:38 PM
The RJ11 plug has 4 terminals, RJ12 (U.S. version) has 6 and the RJ45 has 8 terminals.
The RJ11/12 will fit into the receiver for an RJ45 and looking at the numbers which come up then I assume you have the RJ11.

There's a good tutorial on fitting the connectors here: http://www.leadsdirect.co.uk/tutorials/modulartutorial.html
Make sure which you need for the station, straight through or crossover, as the wiring on the plugs is different and will give different results.  ;)


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on January 09, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
The plugs I got from Maplin are FCC68 6P 4C which I believe are RJ11 although it doesn't say it on the packet, when I went to get the first lot of plugs/ cable I went into Maplin with one of the WS-2350 cables with the factory fitted plugs attatched and I have been getting these plugs as these are ones they gave me,which I hope are the correct ones  ;) I was looking this evening to try and see which plugs go with this weather station but can't see mention of them.
The old cable/ plugs still works but there is a poor connection somewhere as when you move the cable the signal stops, hence the new cable.I am doing what they are saying in the link/ instructions above. The plugs on the new cable look ok although it's not working, the ones I put on first appeared ok, I replaced them both and they look fine but are still not working, they are lighting up the lights in the tester.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: skyewright on January 10, 2013, 05:24:59 PM
the plug on the cable will fit into either, I have used the small plug hole in the tester then the slightly larger hole
Best to only use the larger hole for plugs that are too big for the smaller hole.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on January 10, 2013, 08:35:19 PM
Thanks for that, as you can see I'm feeling my way somewhat.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on January 30, 2013, 09:54:57 AM
75mph gusts last night at around 8pm'ish.
I'll get the plumber to look at these plugs as in a previous life he was a Navy mechanic/ engineer.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: skyewright on January 30, 2013, 03:39:02 PM
75mph gusts last night at around 8pm'ish.
Similar peak here , but 2 hours earlier.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on November 15, 2013, 05:57:22 PM
Hello all  :)
I've not long returned from away and before the weather broke tried to sort this cable/ plugs out. On looking at the cable that came with the weather station ( too short to use as the pole is further away ) and holding both plugs beside each other ( and them facing the same way ), one plug is black,red,green and yellow, the other is yellow,green,red, black, on changing a plug to get this set up it didn't work but when testing it the lights flashed the same at both ends ( although the plugs looked ok ) Before changing them, I'd had them both ( for example ) black,red, green and yellow at both plugs but that didn't work either. I am at present using the old cable although if I move the base unit the signal cuts out. I have got from a friend in England a Neo Fanless pc, he had it in his loft for his security cameras, he put Heavy Weather on it before I picked up as it is not online at present and doesnt have a disk reader in it. What a difference compared to the base station readout  :), is there any other free software I could try, I know someone mentioned Weather Display. I was wondering  if I could have 2 small pc monitors that would give me one in my flat and another in the house, the cables would only have to go through a wooden floor/ ceiling at a length of around 6ft from the pc.
http://www.kacer.com/product/Fanless%20Solutions/Neo%20Series/neo_fanless_system.htm  the inside parts can be changed to any configuration so mine may not be the same as in the web page, mine has 500mb ram with a 40gb hd, it has xp, at least it won't take up the same space as a tower  :).
Sandy
edit, will have a look at your site Munrobaggins, will also look at  Cumulus and look at Weather Display on the net.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on November 20, 2013, 11:50:41 AM
I got some more plugs over the net from Maplin, FCC68 6P4C and they are the size of the plugs on the original cable that went outside to the weather station but the ones on the first longer cable must have  FCC68 4P4C ( although that's the size Maplin gave me when I went in with a weather station lead so they could see the cable ), I tried again with the new plugs starting off the same as the original cable, ie when holding the original ends of the cable/ plugs the wires were black, red, green yellow with the other plug being yellow, green, red ,black  on trying the tester on it it was flashing 2,3,4,5, outside and 5,4,3,2 inside, I tried another plug but with the wires at one end the other way round so they were black,red,green,yellow on both plugs when viewed from the same side, the lights on the tester were flashing the same at both ends so I plugged it into the control/ base station and there was no temp ( inside or out),no  wind direction,no  wind speed,or pressure ect so I took the plug out and it's been reading ( and changing every minute or so) the wind speed, temps as it would normally but it's not plugged into a cable from the weather station outside !. That's using the new cable ( 4 core,flat bt type ), if the base station is giving a reading with nothing plugged into it from outside how do I know it's giving the correct reading when I plug it into something ?. I think I'll send an email to the place I got it from near Hastings and see what they say.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on December 27, 2013, 10:52:57 AM
Just came across this site, interesting  ;D
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/1000hPa/orthographic=-1.48,54.31,588


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: Budgie on December 27, 2013, 11:18:55 PM
That, Sir, is cooler than the Fonz!  ;D


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: SunnySymington on December 29, 2013, 11:40:32 AM
Wow, that is cool!   :)

I had a play around with some other barometric heights in the chart:

Try 850mB: http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/850hPa/orthographic=-1.58,53.00,607

At 700mB: http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/700hPa/orthographic=-1.58,53.00,607

At 500mB: http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=-1.58,53.00,607

and at 250mB: http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=-1.58,53.00,607

There may be others, but those were the obvious ones to try.  From what I recall the 250mB level is used to analyse the position and strength of the jet-stream.

Drag with the mouse around the globe and use the mouse wheel to zoom in an out or adjust the last parameter in the url.

Would be interesting to know the source of the data.

[edit 1]

Just as I hit the post button I found an "about" page here: http://earth.nullschool.net/about.html.  Really interesting.


[edit 2]

While watching yet another gale blowing up and in between our DSL connection dropping in and out, I was playing with this some more.  Looking at the source code on the site indicates other projections are available.  Try substituting orthographic with atlantis, azimuthal_equidistant, conic_equidistant, equirectangular, stereographic, waterman or winkel3.

Better still: Click on the "Earth" label bottom left and use the menu to navigate.....wow!



Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on December 29, 2013, 11:35:52 PM
I'm afraid it's a bit beyond me but I noticed if you click a point you get a green circle ( say the tip of Lewis ) ,if you click on a different area it will give you the windspeed there  :),  if you click the 2 small arrows in the bottom left it'll give you a windspeed in Km/hr,at present it says 42km/hr with my weather station saying 28.4km/hr.
If you double click on the map it zooms in a bit but not a lot.

edit, SS, when you mention 250 and 500ect what would 10 be at as there is a whole different movement going on then ?


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on January 13, 2014, 05:54:06 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34384289@N06/11932571173/in/set-72157626385754569 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34384289@N06/11932571173/in/set-72157626385754569)
As it was calm I checked where the cable goes though the gable end of the house and the photo shows where it's been rubbinig on a stone, it's down to the metal in one part, would it be fair to assume that this is the problem, although it's only one wire and it's not broken, however it would be earthing I'm sure.
edit, was trying to get the photo in here  :(


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: skyewright on January 16, 2014, 11:05:51 AM
would it be fair to assume that this is the problem
It might be the problem but at the very least it won't be helping (& will probably only get worse over time), so best either way to fix it so there's one less unknown in the system.


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on January 17, 2014, 11:18:16 PM
I hope it is the problem, i can't go replacing plugs on the end of the cable for ever  >:(, there are other things I would like to do but if there's still a problem I can't see things going any further  :(


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on January 04, 2015, 09:03:16 PM
I think my base station / control panel  may have given up the ghost as there are no numbers or directions shown, even  the indoor temp,just the directions for wind direction, N, S ect and a circle, I put batteries in it but no difference, I had been renewing the plug as there must be a poor connection somewhere, the wires were in the the same order as before. I wonder if I could get another base station as everything outside seemed to be working, had a look on ebay but no base stations ( in the uk at least )


Title: Re: another newbie
Post by: sandy on November 11, 2016, 10:02:35 PM
The windspeed part of my Techno line WS2350 has stopped turning  :(, I had a look and don't think the 2350 is about any more, would anyone like to suggest a wired weather station that could replace it that's not too expensive  :)